Song of Ice and Fire (George R.R. Martin)

[radicalink]

*** possible spoilers*** don't read on if you haven't read GOT.
I'm currently finishing up Storm of Swords...

GoT was by far the best... the others are just as you all say, great, dark, depressing, but go back and look through game of thrones... reread Ned's chapters and even Catelyns... the subtlety with which grr martin suggests that Jon is not ned's son, but rather rhaegar's is beautiful.

Guess we will find out soon enough with his new release...

WINTER IS COMING!

WAR IS COMING!

[Blorc]

Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is epic in scale! If you like GRRM's ASOIAF than you would like Wheel of Time! Its 12 books though, but thats a good thing if you like it.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by radicalink

*** possible spoilers*** don't read on if you haven't read GOT.
I'm currently finishing up Storm of Swords...

GoT was by far the best... the others are just as you all say, great, dark, depressing, but go back and look through game of thrones... reread Ned's chapters and even Catelyns... the subtlety with which grr martin suggests that Jon is not ned's son, but rather rhaegar's is beautiful.

Guess we will find out soon enough with his new release...

WINTER IS COMING!

WAR IS COMING!

Yup, I've thought about that rumor before myself. Makes a lot of sense, because of ...

****POSSIBLE SPOILERS****

1. Ned is one of the most honorable people of the books, he also loves his wife.. so him having a bastard son just never made much sense.
2. The timing of Ned having a bastard son along with his sister perishing makes this possible. I *thought* she also made Ned promise her something, but I don't think it clarified what that 'promise' was upon her death.
3. Some of the Kingsguard were guarding Ned's sister (Rhaegar's girl or whatever) while Rhaegar was away in battle. I thought I read that kingsguard were only supposed to guard royalty. If I remember right, Rhaegar and her never were married before he died, so they could have been protecting 'royal blood' but it wasn't hers, it was their child.
4. It sounded like Rhaegar and Ned's sister actually loved each other, which means.. SEX... SEEEEEEX.... so the possibility of having a child is pretty great imo.
5. Symbolism of the "Ice & Fire" title. John SNOW has the last name of SNOW, he was raised in the cold snowy north, and also **spoiler again** Commander of the Nights Watch... which.... is on a Ice wall. Meanwhile Daenarys has a bunch of family sayings of "Fire this, and fire that". Also, her bloodline is resistant to fire. This sort of goes with one of the later sayings for Daenarys, something about the 2-3 dragon heads... which with Targaryen tradition.. *cough* they usually sorta inbreed hahaha.. which could make Jon Snow one of those heads.

On another note, Rhaegar may not have been such a bad person. You always hear from King Robert and people that were against the Targaryen's that Rhaegar was a monster like the Targaryen King was at the time, yet you hear from other people outside of the two warring parties that Rhaegar was actually a good person.

*It's been quite some time since I read the books now, been waiting forever for a Dance of Dragons.. forgetting some aspects of the books, which is good though. Means I can re-read it and it will feel fresh again.

[zoa]

Yea, I've speculated on that stuff for awhile and I was pretty sure it was true, the title of the book, as you said was what really did it for me. I cannot wait for Dance of Dragons, going to be one of those books I pick up and read for 15 hours straight.

[Thorge]

Never heard of the series but you guys make it sound like good books that i'll probably go get me a book.

[radicalink]

Originally Posted by Thorge

Never heard of the series but you guys make it sound like good books that i'll probably go get me a book.

Start with Game of Thrones. Hope you enjoy it. It is a blast!

[radicalink]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Yup, I've thought about that rumor before myself. Makes a lot of sense, because of ...

****POSSIBLE SPOILERS****

1. Ned is one of the most honorable people of the books, he also loves his wife.. so him having a bastard son just never made much sense.
2. The timing of Ned having a bastard son along with his sister perishing makes this possible. I *thought* she also made Ned promise her something, but I don't think it clarified what that 'promise' was upon her death.
3. Some of the Kingsguard were guarding Ned's sister (Rhaegar's girl or whatever) while Rhaegar was away in battle. I thought I read that kingsguard were only supposed to guard royalty. If I remember right, Rhaegar and her never were married before he died, so they could have been protecting 'royal blood' but it wasn't hers, it was their child.
4. It sounded like Rhaegar and Ned's sister actually loved each other, which means.. SEX... SEEEEEEX.... so the possibility of having a child is pretty great imo.
5. Symbolism of the "Ice & Fire" title. John SNOW has the last name of SNOW, he was raised in the cold snowy north, and also **spoiler again** Commander of the Nights Watch... which.... is on a Ice wall. Meanwhile Daenarys has a bunch of family sayings of "Fire this, and fire that". Also, her bloodline is resistant to fire. This sort of goes with one of the later sayings for Daenarys, something about the 2-3 dragon heads... which with Targaryen tradition.. *cough* they usually sorta inbreed hahaha.. which could make Jon Snow one of those heads.

On another note, Rhaegar may not have been such a bad person. You always hear from King Robert and people that were against the Targaryen's that Rhaegar was a monster like the Targaryen King was at the time, yet you hear from other people outside of the two warring parties that Rhaegar was actually a good person.

*It's been quite some time since I read the books now, been waiting forever for a Dance of Dragons.. forgetting some aspects of the books, which is good though. Means I can re-read it and it will feel fresh again.

***potential spoilers ahead***
Lyanna was Ned's sister, yes. Rhaegar indeed loved her; he rode passed his wife when he won the tourney at Harrenhall and bequethed Lyanna Stark with the crown of blue roses. Later Dany has a vision in the warlock's towers of a Blue flower on a wall of Ice. This can only mean the actual Wall. Jon is the Blue Flower, son to Lyanna Stark (Ice) and Rhaegar Targaryen (Fire); thusly, A song of Ice and Fire. It just raises one more question. If Dany and the Targaryens come into power, Jon is technically, the one True King.

[Tuf]

If you like GRRM's ASOIAF than you would like Wheel of Time!

I loved ASOIAF and hated WoT. I didn't read the whole WoT series but that was only because I found it unbearable. If only he could have fit a few more fantasy cliches I might have liked it more


I haven't heard much lately about the state of the HBO series. They cut all the expensive set productions like Deadwood and Rome so I'm not encouraged. It was supposed to be a book per season of the show.

[Requiem]

For those interested in seeing Amok's works concerning ASOIAF.. there's plenty of pictures at: Amok's site :: Gallery :: George R.R. Martin

[Blorc]

There is an art of ice and fire book as well, which I do own. Always fun to see some pics of chars..although I do admit it does sometime not match up to my view/idea of what the characters look like.