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Old 07-01-2007, 10:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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how determinism and quantum mechanics are compatible

yeah, this is a very philosophical subject, and maybe this is not the best place to tell this, but it is the only place i know.

so what is the situation? well i (believe) i have proven that quantum mechanics and determinism are compatible. now you will be wondering why aren't they, and what are they. well determinism is in my own words the believe that: "Now is the one and only possible cause of the past, and the future is the one and only possible result of now", this is based on the fact that everything can be put into a formula, and that everything can be predicted . this used to be considered impossible if quantum mechanics is true because of the uncertainty principle, which states that the more accurate your initial data becomes the relatively seen more inaccurate (or random) your result becomes, or as i formulated it: "If your initial data gets x times as accurate you will get x*>1 times as accurate results".

This would disprove determinism because there are multiple possible outcomes of the current state, and thus now isn't the only possible outcome of the past, and there are multiple possible futures. this is where my theory comes in. determinism would also mean that if you had infinitively accurate data about a certain moment, and would know all the laws of nature, and would have the processing power needed to process all this data you would be able to predict the future. the key words here would be: "infinitively accurate data". if something is infinitively accurate it would also be infinitively times as accurate as anything but 0 inaccurate (which would be having no data at all which is impossible because anything that has intellect has some form of sensors).

now lets fill in "infinitively times as accurate" in the previous given formula for "the uncertainty principle" (If your initial data gets x times as accurate you will get x*>1 times as accurate results). this would result in: if your data becomes infinitively times as accurate then your results get infinitively*>1 times as accurate. this is where the magic starts, because infinitive has some very special features, one of those is that infinitive times any positive number remains infinitive. so " your data becomes infinitively times as accurate then your results get infinitively*>1 = infinitively times as accurate.

this means that the uncertainty principle has no effect if your data is infinitively accurate, which is a prerequisite for determinism thus making the two compatible

sorry for teh long post, but i just needed to tell it to someone, and that someone has turned out to be you
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Old 07-02-2007, 05:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yeah but can infinite accuracy be achieved in the first place?
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Is this topic sexual? Because if not... I am confused.

Are we talking about actual past, actual now, and possible future here? I have so many ideas, and I can't even begin to express them in writing on a laptop. This topic is one I've spent at least half of my life debating... If I think it's the topic it is...

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Old 07-02-2007, 07:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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To be honest, this has to be a joke. Considering your age Roq

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Old 07-02-2007, 07:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i think its interesting. i dont get it as much as I should be getting but. i dont know. i cant understand.
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Reminds me of the good ol' debate about "seamless hole" or "faster than light"...Truly fascinating yet mind bending.

As for this topic I'm torn. I like to think we have found ways to be able to determine anything, yet I'm a firm believer in the "Fluke".
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