911 mysteries....

[Kelrathi]

The US turned back many ships carrying jews back to europe, many of whom died.

The holocaust was NOT why we entered WW2 and it was NOT the cause of WW2. racism had nothing to do with it, since we were to busy engaging in racism by locking up japanese americans, segregating blacks, discriminating and abusing them.

it (the holocaust) is used as a post war justification.

US corporations wanted to stay number one, as opposed to german or japanese corporations.
War is good for US corporations hence the saying
war is good for the economy

p.s. guess the reason for the iraq war?
freedom? democracy? liberation? save iraqis from saddam?

Please, as if the US ever gave a damn about any of those. Its Money. check out the no bid contracts for halliburton, the continued profits of the oil companies and arms manufacturers. and thanks to people that believe there are wars that dont have anything to do with money, republicans get voted back in 2004, increasing their strangle hold. If it wasnt for the 2006 elections i may have lost hope

[Fez]

Originally Posted by Kelrathi

The US turned back many ships carrying jews back to europe, many of whom died.

The holocaust was NOT why we entered WW2 and it was NOT the cause of WW2. racism had nothing to do with it, since we were to busy engaging in racism by locking up japanese americans, segregating blacks, discriminating and abusing them.

This is a very cynical point of view. I've read similar things, like America is evil because of racism, and nothing good can ever be done to atone for it. Yes, there were bad things going on then, but that doesn't negate the good that was done in the war.

Originally Posted by Kelrathi

it (the holocaust) is used as a post war justification.

US corporations wanted to stay number one, as opposed to german or japanese corporations.
War is good for US corporations hence the saying
war is good for the economy

Corporations had nothing to do with the US entering the war what-so-ever. The reason we entered WWII was because of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Period. The Japanese attacked the US because we threatened their regional supremacy and, along with our allies, threatened the source of their resources. In Europe, we'd already been interfering by giving supplies to the Allies.

The slaughter of the Jews was never even used as a post-war justification. It's just a very fortunate result.

Originally Posted by Kelrathi

p.s. guess the reason for the iraq war?
freedom? democracy? liberation? save iraqis from saddam?

Please, as if the US ever gave a damn about any of those. Its Money. check out the no bid contracts for halliburton, the continued profits of the oil companies and arms manufacturers. and thanks to people that believe there are wars that dont have anything to do with money, republicans get voted back in 2004, increasing their strangle hold. If it wasnt for the 2006 elections i may have lost hope

The reasoning behind the Iraq war was the same as that as the Afghan war: combating terrorism. Of course, in Iraq's case there were actually quite a few reasons given, but combating terrorism was the main one. This whole "no blood for oil" crap is just that: crap.

[Yahto]

As much as I'd like to debate the "single cause" (bullshit btw) for the Crusades and WWII with everyone...

[Ganjhitsu]

I'm still waiting for Kelrathi to break it all down for us.
Maybe it s time to move on to the Pentagon one.
Wasn't there 4 planes that day?

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Yahto

As much as I'd like to debate the "single cause" (bullshit btw) for the Crusades and WWII with everyone...

rofl, where did you find that yahto?

and Gan, arent the Kelrathi the old tiger race from Wing Commander series?

[Kelrathi]

[quote=Fez]

This is a very cynical point of view. I've read similar things, like America is evil because of racism, and nothing good can ever be done to atone for it. Yes, there were bad things going on then, but that doesn't negate the good that was done in the war.

Ive never heard anyone, not even soilders speak of "good" that was done in World war 2, many of them at least acknowledge that the US fought fire with fire, for example the bombing of dresden and other axis cities which were almost purely non-military in retaliation for an ACCIDENTAL german bombing of a british city. Heres a link to that.

http://www.worldwar-2.net/timelines/...index-1940.htm

Corporations had nothing to do with the US entering the war what-so-ever. The reason we entered WWII was because of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Period. The Japanese attacked the US because we threatened their regional supremacy and, along with our allies, threatened the source of their resources. In Europe, we'd already been interfering by giving supplies to the Allies.

Yawn, american school system victim, heres a good article http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa...scism_WW2.html

We entered World war 2 because pearl harbor was bombed by the japanese because they saw us and our "allies" threatening them? i thought you said we entered WW2 AFTER the bombing? how do we have allies in WW2 before we even enter it? As you can see, your own words show you dont know many of the facts. The US was involved in WW2 long before japan did anything to us. You said it yourself, japan was afraid of us along with our ALLIES. We had no allies, if we did, we would have joined france and britian on the first day of hostilities. What we did have were business partners. the "allies" were our business partners, certainly more so than japan and italy.
And you acknowledge we were interfereing before we "entered" the war, wow its like we had it all planned or something !?!

The slaughter of the Jews was never even used as a post-war justification. It's just a very fortunate result.

Can you tell me ONE good reason why we got involved in WW2?
Germany is evil? If you dont count the holocaust as you are implying, then they are no different from us. Same with japan, japan simply began expanding before germany and in any case, if what germany and japan were doing was so bad, then the US would have joined the war long before it did.
Thanks for playing though.

The reasoning behind the Iraq war was the same as that as the Afghan war: combating terrorism. Of course, in Iraq's case there were actually quite a few reasons given, but combating terrorism was the main one. This whole "no blood for oil" crap is just that: crap.

Can you link me to statements by bush or his cronies that linked Iraq to terrorism before we went in? And which terrorist act was it that he was linking Iraq to? 9/11 ? Case Closed.


http://www.lysistrataproject.org/corporationsandwar.htm

No blood for oil is crap, yes. Can you tell me why we are in Iraq once more?
Humanitarian reasons? To bring democracy? Then why arent we in the sudan where even more have died? or Rwanda when we could have helped there?
Iraq sitting on huge oil reserves is just coincidence derrrrrrrr
I mean seriously, do you think the US' "crap" doesnt stink or what ?

[Kelrathi]

Originally Posted by Ganjhitsu

I'm still waiting for Kelrathi to break it all down for us.
Maybe it s time to move on to the Pentagon one.
Wasn't there 4 planes that day?

Another conspiracy theorist?
Make your nutball conspiracy statement and ill happily slap it down.

[Loth651]

Fight the power!!!!!



Ah the Pentagon. Here is an easy link for you to see that that never happened...

http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/Hu...laneCrash.html