Crusader Kings

[Requiem]

So I stop sabotaging the WWII thread, I'll start this here lol. I've been reaidng over Hearts of Iron 2, which lead me to another game where you control a medieval dynasty between the years 1066 and 1483 or so (fall of Byzantine Empire). You can start as a Count (ton of selections over counties), Duke (a lot of selections), and a King (still a good amount of selections). Looks like there's a lot of depth, including traits, marriages, etc.

There's some good reviews here:

Looks sort of interesting http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/...gs/review.html

(better review imo) Edit: Another good article: http://www.firingsquad.com/games/crusader_kings_review/

edit:

This part of the review made me laugh.

Every character in the game has his own statistics, abilities, parents, probable spouse and children as well as the claims associated to him. A popular activity among Crusader Kings players is to get not the girls with the best claims into your family, but those with the best stats. This is affectionately known as the "Kwisatz Haderach breeding program" in reference to the almighty Paul Atreides of the Dune books. Most players, however, seek advancement and the best way to do this is to get the daughters of weak dynasties - those with few or no sons. Hopefully, nature takes care of the rest… or at least can be given a helping hand with a few hundred gold pieces and the heir apparent might be found in the morning have accidentally brutally disemboweled himself while shaving.

[Maniacus]

Very very very very interesting me and Pedro if i may speak for him have been looking for a game similar to MTW 2 cept you can play as the 'little' guy i.e. the baron, the count not allways the emperor or the count, from what i have read the game is complicated but i like a challenge and prefer games which have more depth than a spoon.

Gonna do a bit more research n then probably thursday or maybe tommorow if i can dodge a lecture pop down to EB n see if they have this though unlikely since Australian shops dont have such a wide range.

[Requiem]

Maybe we can even do a "lineage" thing, similar to what we're doing for M2TW?

[Requiem]

The gamespy review 3/5 stars (Fair). Also a write-up: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/crusader-kings/521613p1.html

I think some people might not like heavy and deep games like this. Just like some people just didn't like Master of Orion, because of it's depth. Who know's, I'm thinking of picking this up and giving it a shot.

[Maniacus]

Its a possibility but from what ive read the game is pretty complicated so if i were to load your save file i might well probably will be at a loss with what you were trying to achieve not saying its impossible but it will be difficult but im all for the idea.

Anyway off to sleep now uni in the morn might be on in 7/8 hours before i head to uni.

[Pedro]

Nice find TB, need to find the game and start learning to play it

[Requiem]

This is a very good review. http://www.strategy-gaming.com/reviews/crusader_kings/

A small piece of the article (long article)

In particular situations, you can gain prestige and administrative flexibility by gaining the option to create a title. For example, you can create the Duchy of Silesia by controlling any two of three particular provinces, or create the Kingdom of Lithuania if you own 67% of 19 targets. These are handy ways of consolidating power, handing off the individual counties to trusted retainers but keeping a nice piece of revenue and power for you.

This works for a while, but can become dangerous because such titles also come with a lot of prestige. You can imagine what happens if a vassal with marginal loyalty gains more prestige than his liege?

Note that outright rebellion is not the only danger you face – that’s only the most straightforward possibility. Your nobles each have their own agendas; the petty counts and more powerful dukes may cast covetous eyes at each other’s lands and wealth, or even send assassins against each other (or you, for that matter). At the least, a vassal whose faith in you is flagging will hesitate to deploy their troops on your behalf. Worse still, they might follow their own ‘foreign policy’ and may even manufacture a claim on some county held by an allied king’s vassal – which can make for some complicated politics when they try to snatch & grab for themselves. Your prestige level, their own prestige level, and their inherent loyalty to you: it’s all a complicated and ceaseless dance in which both the music and the dancers change with every birth, marriage, and death.

And this is just your own feudal structure; add the fact that there are at least fifteen to twenty other kings with their own complex dynamic dynastic structures. Each of these are full of individuals who are also constantly maturing, marrying, breeding, and dying – into and out of your family as well. It’s not hard to imagine a situation where an individual may end up having directly contradictory loyalties – precisely like the Middle Ages.

[Pedro]

This game is extreme micro-management of strategy, it made me cry for a few hours

[narud]

Just curoius is it anything like Empire Earth ?

but without the massive time difference

narud

[Maniacus]

K back from sleepin in ( i missed a lecture o noes ) im gonna go have a look in eb in the city today on the way back from uni so hopefully they gonna have it otherwise im gonna have to D2D it and that means gettin paypal a credit card which i have tried to put off for so long sigh.