Building from scratch, no clue what to do. - Page 2

Pwnzilla · 08-20-2008, 07:50 PM

O.K. at home now so I have the time to dig up the DIY links.

http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC0408-web.pdf

Actual instructions start on page 14 of the PDF.

Video tutorial
ExtremeTech's PC Building Video Tutorial - How To by ExtremeTech

Between the two you should be able to figure it out. DIY PCs are much simpler these days.

OctoberWater · 08-21-2008, 07:53 PM

Alright, thanks all for the help. I probably won't start buying anything for a while, but now that you guys have shown a 500-600, 1,500, and with the PC Gamer, 1,600+, I now have a few options to look at once I figure out my budget.

You can count on me asking many more questions once I start buying things.

Ahramon · 08-28-2008, 08:32 AM

hmm i think i might try this build as well

Icecold · 08-29-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwnzilla

O.K. at home now so I have the time to dig up the DIY links.

http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC0408-web.pdf

Actual instructions start on page 14 of the PDF.

Video tutorial
ExtremeTech's PC Building Video Tutorial - How To by ExtremeTech

Between the two you should be able to figure it out. DIY PCs are much simpler these days.

Don't want to hijack your thread october, but @ Pwn, do you think I could build a computer that has better performance than Newegg.com - iBUYPOWER GX-526 Phenom X4 9850(2.5GHz) 4GB DDR2 500GB NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+ Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit - Desktop PCs and have it come out slightly cheaper? Because looking at those instructions (and with my step bro to help and old computer to refer to for help) I'm pretty sure I could build a computer.

Pwnzilla · 08-29-2008, 05:55 PM

Exact same parts (case, CPU, HDD, GPU, OS, optical drives, & mobo) or superior (RAM & PSU) from Newegg, will run you $1082.43 shipped to San Antonio, TX. With $90 in mail in rebates refunded afterwards for a net cost of $992.43. The pre-built is $1100 after shipping and mail in rebates.

The two components that I changed from the pre-built list are the RAM & PSU. The pre-built lists memory standard as DDR2 800. Phenom processors are designed to run on DDR2 1066 memory standard. The NZXT 800w PSU they show as part of the pre-built unit does not feature active PFC. For that reason, I would not recommend using it. Used PCP&C Silencer 750w unit instead and 4Gb (2x2Gb) of OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 RAM.

So essentially you can build the exact same system (with better power and correct memory standard) for ~$100 less.

Icecold · 08-29-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwnzilla

Exact same parts (case, CPU, HDD, GPU, OS, optical drives, & mobo) or superior (RAM & PSU) from Newegg, will run you $1082.43 shipped to San Antonio, TX. With $90 in mail in rebates refunded afterwards for a net cost of $998.43. The pre-built is $1100 after shipping and mail in rebates.

The two components that I changed from the pre-built list are the RAM & PSU. The pre-built lists memory standard as DDR2 800. Phenom processors are designed to run on DDR2 1066 memory standard. The NZXT 800w PSU they show as part of the pre-built unit does not feature active PFC. For that reason, I would not recommend using it. Used PCP&C Silencer 750w unit instead and 4Gb (2x2Gb) of OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 RAM.

So essentially you can build the exact same system (with better power and correct memory standard) for ~$100 less.

Oh nice, thank you. That will definatley go over better with my parents if I throw in that they save $100 lol. So any chance you could do me a favor and make one of those parts lists like you did for october

? And when I do put it together will I have to update many things?

Pwnzilla · 08-29-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icecold

Oh nice, thank you. That will definatley go over better with my parents if I throw in that they save $100 lol. So any chance you could do me a favor and make one of those parts lists like you did for october

? And when I do put it together will I have to update many things?

One handy item about MSI brand mobos is that they include a utility program called Live Update that will automatically search the MSI site for updates for your system.

Live Update 3 is a single utility software that automatically checks BIOS, driver and utility updates and installs for you , which can save your time for searching and lower the risk while updating.

It is convenient for those who are not comfortable with flashing a BIOS, updating drivers, etc.....

If you want that same system (with my two changes) the components are as follows:

Case
NZXT Guardian 921 CS-NT-GD921-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
Newegg.com - NZXT Guardian 921 CS-NT-GD921-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases
$99.99 - $10 rebate = $89.99

PSU
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W NVIDIA SLI Certified/CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
Newegg.com - PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS750QBL 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies
$139.99 - $30 rebate = $109.99

Optical Drive
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM
Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - CD / DVD Burners
$29.99

Optical Drive #2
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM - OEM
Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-16D3S-04 - CD / DVD Drives
$17.99

GPU
EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB PCI Express 2.0 x16 SLI Supported - Retail
Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N873-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
$199.99 - $20 rebate = $179.99

CPU
AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops
$179.00

RAM
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066 Dual Channel Kit - Retail
Newegg.com - OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory
$119.99 - $15 rebate = $104.99

Mobo
MSI K9A2 Neo-F AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Newegg.com - MSI K9A2 Neo-F AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - AMD Motherboards
$79.99 - $15 rebate = $64.99

HDD
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - OEM
Newegg.com - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives
$69.99

OS
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English DVD - OEM
Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - Operating Systems
$109.99

Sub-total $1046.91
Ship to San Antonio, TX $35.52
Sub-total + shipping $1082.43
Less Mail in rebates $ 90.00
Grand Total $992.43

Icecold · 08-29-2008, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwnzilla

One handy item about MSI brand mobos is that they include a utility program called Live Update that will automatically search the MSI site for updates for your system.

Live Update 3 is a single utility software that automatically checks BIOS, driver and utility updates and installs for you , which can save your time for searching and lower the risk while updating.

It is convenient for those who are not comfortable with flashing a BIOS, updating drivers, etc.....

If you want that same system (with my two changes) the components are as follows:

Case
NZXT Guardian 921 CS-NT-GD921-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
Newegg.com - NZXT Guardian 921 CS-NT-GD921-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases
$99.99 - $10 rebate = $89.99

PSU
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W NVIDIA SLI Certified/CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
Newegg.com - PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS750QBL 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies
$139.99 - $30 rebate = $109.99

Optical Drive
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM
Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - CD / DVD Burners
$29.99

Optical Drive #2
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM - OEM
Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-16D3S-04 - CD / DVD Drives
$17.99

GPU
EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB PCI Express 2.0 x16 SLI Supported - Retail
Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N873-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
$199.99 - $20 rebate = $179.99

CPU
AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops
$179.00

RAM
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066 Dual Channel Kit - Retail
Newegg.com - OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory
$119.99 - $15 rebate = $104.99

Mobo
MSI K9A2 Neo-F AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Newegg.com - MSI K9A2 Neo-F AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - AMD Motherboards
$79.99 - $15 rebate = $64.99

HDD
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - OEM
Newegg.com - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives
$69.99

OS
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English DVD - OEM
Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - Operating Systems
$109.99

Sub-total $1046.91
Ship to San Antonio, TX $35.52
Sub-total + shipping $1082.43
Less Mail in rebates $ 90.00
Grand Total $992.43

Thanks!!, and any chance I can get your opinion on how it will run WAR?
Lag will probably be up to the machine since my mom just upgraded to some really fast internet (idk what it is but just downloaded a movie in like no time at all)

Pwnzilla · 08-29-2008, 07:59 PM

It will run WAR with ease. It is a solid medium-high end machine. Not absolute top of the line, but not too far from it.

Icecold · 08-29-2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwnzilla

It will run WAR with ease. It is a solid medium-high end machine. Not absolute top of the line, but not too far from it.

cool, that's what I like to hear

Thanks again Pwn
Now I just need to find a new monitor and keyboard, the mouse I have is fine.

Edit: have a keyboard, any suggestions on a monitor that will work fine with that system?

08-20-2008, 07:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pwnzilla Putting the funk in dysfunctional Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 1,218	O.K. at home now so I have the time to dig up the DIY links. http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC0408-web.pdf Actual instructions start on page 14 of the PDF. Video tutorial ExtremeTech's PC Building Video Tutorial - How To by ExtremeTech Between the two you should be able to figure it out. DIY PCs are much simpler these days. __________________

08-21-2008, 07:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
OctoberWater Official Founder of KIK Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The best damn city in MN Posts: 305 Blog Entries: 6	Alright, thanks all for the help. I probably won't start buying anything for a while, but now that you guys have shown a 500-600, 1,500, and with the PC Gamer, 1,600+, I now have a few options to look at once I figure out my budget. You can count on me asking many more questions once I start buying things. __________________

08-28-2008, 08:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ahramon Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brownsville Tx Posts: 267	hmm i think i might try this build as well __________________

08-29-2008, 05:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pwnzilla Putting the funk in dysfunctional Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 1,218	Exact same parts (case, CPU, HDD, GPU, OS, optical drives, & mobo) or superior (RAM & PSU) from Newegg, will run you $1082.43 shipped to San Antonio, TX. With $90 in mail in rebates refunded afterwards for a net cost of $992.43. The pre-built is $1100 after shipping and mail in rebates. The two components that I changed from the pre-built list are the RAM & PSU. The pre-built lists memory standard as DDR2 800. Phenom processors are designed to run on DDR2 1066 memory standard. The NZXT 800w PSU they show as part of the pre-built unit does not feature active PFC. For that reason, I would not recommend using it. Used PCP&C Silencer 750w unit instead and 4Gb (2x2Gb) of OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 RAM. So essentially you can build the exact same system (with better power and correct memory standard) for ~$100 less. __________________ Last edited by Pwnzilla; 08-29-2008 at 06:55 PM.

08-29-2008, 07:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
Pwnzilla Putting the funk in dysfunctional Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 1,218	It will run WAR with ease. It is a solid medium-high end machine. Not absolute top of the line, but not too far from it. __________________

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